paul
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Post by paul on Jan 19, 2017 17:59:53 GMT -5
Should the focus be on "houses," though? That's more a very, very late medical idea or something out of the city-states of Italy. If you have played any Crusader Kings 2, while dynasty is important, in the end lands are what matters. Being Duke of Brittany matters more than being the brother of the King of France, and the two are probably going to fight each other over each other's titles and lands.
Most MU*s do things by houses already too. It might be a refreshing change to have the focus be on the land and the title.
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Post by insomniac on Jan 19, 2017 20:27:45 GMT -5
We're also dealing with the d'Angeline religion tying specific families to specific lands. The politics of being a Scion and how much of a Scion are very important to the social/political tune that we're going for. There's more to it than just a carbon copy of the same political psyche of the real world counterpart, nor should we cleave too closely to the real world. It is a historical fantasy setting.
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Post by insomniac on Jan 21, 2017 2:37:41 GMT -5
Prospective compromise:
Each province has two Ducal houses, but the province is much more clearly and distinctly run by the Sovereign Ducal. The division of power we have between these two kinds of nobles is distinct.
The Provincial Ducal is in fealty to the Sovereign Ducal, and actually spends more of their time in the city of Elua liaising between the crown and their province.
This gives us:
-Political Shenanigans
-A place for people to play high noble features who are not strictly the son or daughter of a Ducal NPC, meaning they have more flexibility in the age and upbringing of their character.
-Spreads the weight of provincial responsibility/plot to at least two characters, instead of just the ducal heir.
-Make it a cultural expectation that the Provincial Ducal hanging out at court should sheppard, advise and assist the Sovereign Ducal heir.
-Collaboration between featured characters.
-Opportunities for dynamic social rp. Maybe the Provincial is loyal to their Sovereign, and wants to help the kid? Maybe they're not? Maybe they want to take the kid and groom them to their own agenda. Maybe that brings about tension between the lower ranked members of the Sovereign Ducal house who are in the city?
-Its got a ring of fostering, without actually being fostering. Which can help with a "medievaly" theme.
-It's meaty political social rp that the players can pretty much generate and direct themselves, unless they pull the Ducal NPC in.
-We clearly, to the point of being in the game's structure, define the line between Sovereign and Provincial Ducs. Turf wars become IC conflict not OOC misunderstanding.
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Post by insomniac on Jan 21, 2017 16:24:21 GMT -5
I think we can mitigate a decent chunk of the turnover problems by being selective with who we hand those features to. Like, if we hand you a provincial ducal feature and you drop it like a rock for no reason, without telling us, then come back you're probably not going to be entrusted with a feature again. Continued behavior in this vein continues to have consequences. But, you know, unlike KD we make these expectations publically clear.
But yes, there is a higher probability of turnover under this model and I can understand reservations with it.
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Post by Admin on Jan 21, 2017 16:35:22 GMT -5
Compromise?
Sovereigns will remain NPC's for the foreseeable time.
The second step down ducal's, can be opened up as feature. They are auditioned for, as features were in other games that I've played on. They have consequences in that if, yes, you drop them and without a good reason, then your ads yes, of ever getting a feature again, are damn slim. There will be a higher probability of turnover, but it can be far easier played off/mitigated in game, than a sovereign would. But these ducals - and we would likely need to make them bare bones beforehand - would be put back into roster, to be picked up by interested parties, and NPC'd until the time when they have been picked up.
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Post by insomniac on Jan 21, 2017 16:40:14 GMT -5
That's a fair compromise. Sounds good to me.
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Post by insomniac on Jan 22, 2017 16:14:04 GMT -5
I'm fine with d'Aiglemort and Vaillers.
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Post by intrigued on Feb 1, 2017 18:04:46 GMT -5
Question -- You said above: Nammare -- l'Envers (Cereus to come up with second house)
I know at KD, Courcel was considered the second ducal house, even though it was royal. Are you suggesting that instead, Courcel remain Royal, on it's own, and Namarre gets another ducal seat?
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Post by Admin on Feb 1, 2017 22:55:42 GMT -5
So, By the books (The third series) Technically Im & Sid had three kids (thought he kushiro legacy wiki says 3 on his age and 4 on hers HAHAHAHAHA make up your fucking minds), Anielle and a set of twins. But we've made them not twins and split them up. Imriel held the title of the provincial duc and thus he would have passed it down to a kid. So, logically, that would be the missing prince phillips (or however we're spelling it) Anielle's gay brother who ran off with his nephew to keep him out of trouble.
Who never married.
Who never produced children.
Which means he would have named an heir. Logic dictates since it's courcel held traditionally, he would have named an heir before running off or years prior or what have you. So that leave it open to be A) A Courcel feature, from some random line and b) A unique position in that they wouldn't be OTB, since they're not born to the royal line, just inherited a title from... him. So, the other ruling family is the non-royal line of Courcels. Logic dictates. Or it too is held by the crown (with the "no heir listed), to be dispensed at their whim and reward. I leave it up to communal staff which option we want to take.
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Post by intrigued on Feb 2, 2017 10:57:46 GMT -5
That is certainly one way to do it. Leave it open, and perhaps should someone of a minor House do something exceptionally good in RP, they could be 'promoted'.. Surprise!  |
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Post by Admin on Feb 2, 2017 18:57:26 GMT -5
sounds good to me honestly.
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