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Post by paul on Jan 19, 2017 18:54:44 GMT -5
I would agree with all of those except maybe Orchis. I saw a bit of activity from them before. But limiting players to a specific set of houses is a good compromise.
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Post by vulgarkitten on Jan 19, 2017 18:55:48 GMT -5
I'd support some houses being closed until the character base is more active, BUT I would suggest not including Cereus in that list. It's first of all the Houses, and I can't imagine people not wanting to play with a hook like that, or not including that right away.
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Post by vulgarkitten on Jan 19, 2017 18:57:50 GMT -5
Aaaalso, if you limit Gentian, then you're limiting a whole subset of gifts/abilities that are intriguing in play re: the mysticism angle.
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Post by vulgarkitten on Jan 19, 2017 18:59:01 GMT -5
You probably wouldn't *need* Heliotrope right off the bat, though.
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Post by Admin on Jan 19, 2017 19:02:57 GMT -5
:paws at Gentian:
Also, I keep running around the house cooking and cleaning screaming 'SACRED COW" at Nathaniel.
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Post by Admin on Jan 19, 2017 19:20:53 GMT -5
Okay, so.
After reading everything, here's my hat tossed into the ring. We set it before eat ebooks and we run into no Alba or Eire and fudging that might cause too many issues. Especially given that the closing of the straights technically happened pre-elua. Fine and dandy.
We do it post-series and we run into the gun powder, terra nova, the world is big enough as it is, why would we need to make it bigger.
Setting it right after the first book, we run into folks wanting to play phedre, and the canon characters and that becomes a whole mess.
So, how about....
We set it to the twilight of Imriel and Sidonie's rule. The king and queen (if there's to be one) are NPC's, period, so we don't need to worry about that. There's the impending transition of their rule, to the heir's rule. That leaves us setting it within, what, 50 years of the end of the second trilogy roughly? Third series is basically ignored. We start the game as if the third set didn't exist, as if the game was started before it was even published.
Most of the canon characters are dead, but not so long dead that they are forgotten, but still slightly revered. There's still the return to glory of the night court, cassilines are popular still, but the queen its tarting to feel the need to transition, and this leaves room for ambitious players to start to butter up the heir, or make their move to try and depose him/her like what happened with ysandre.
This keeps the straits open - and Alais's lines influence to play out there and add flavor - and doesn't curtail any plot that might come from that way.
Altering the mont is off the table. Sacred. Cow. It's the cornerstone of their society, their religion and beliefs. The buildings will be built with the basics, and NPC's dowaynes will be established when a house is broached as a player occupied house, and as people want to take over dowaynes, the NPC dowyanes will then retire and the new character assume the position. But we are not, and this is one thing I WILL put my foot down on, be merging houses, or not letting some cease to exist. They exist. Just because they are not played by people, or just because one person is the sole player of it, does not make it any less important to the grid or the players. Sacred Cow. But initial focus will be on the houses that will have people in them right off the bat, and then be better fleshed out as people show and pursue interest in playing in them. No one house is less important than the other just because 5 people want to play in one, and one person wants to play in another.
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Post by kitkat on Jan 19, 2017 19:55:32 GMT -5
I prefer the past plot and I'm okay with Alban being off the table for RP because of the Master of the Straits. If folks really want Albans, perhaps in his early years as Master of the Straits, Rahab's son was more giving in allowing passage and only in his later years stopped granting passage because D'Angelines did something to anger him. Even during the time of the books, he did allow some passage: - He let Thelesis de Mornay pass in her exile in exchange for a song. - Master of the Straits allowed an Alban delegation to cross, including Drustan mab Nechtana, the Cruarch, and the Cruarch's wife Foclaidha because of a prophecy stating that his freedom would come when the two nations were united in marriage. I'm not a canon expert but I think that minor tweak would work, and wouldn't place us so far back. I think people might be able to accept that the Master of the Straits wasn't always so strict in his practices. Perhaps he even made them tithe to grant passage. I like the idea of some plot eventually cutting it off as Master of the Straits closes things.
Alternative, we could do something like The Man In the High Castle where we take a major event and have it spin a different way to create an alternate time line anywhere in the books. Maybe Phedre and Joscelin were not able to save young Imriel, or Imriel was never kidnapped by Carthaginian slavers and suddenly the alternative line allows for a separate set of events that could drive things in other directions.
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paul
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Post by paul on Jan 19, 2017 20:18:21 GMT -5
I really do think it will make the night court feel as barren as KDs did and does.
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Post by Admin on Jan 19, 2017 20:23:56 GMT -5
You came to KD, after the exodus had started. Just before that, there were Dowaynes for all houses but 2, there were quite a few courtesans to boot, in each house. I mean Alyssum had like... 3, which is SO RARE. Gentian had about 4. Again, near unheard of. Every house had at least one, and the longest night was raging. But then, the exodus over the economic combat system and..... dead. I mean, it's still even dead right now. So, you're seeing a game that's going through it's down cycle, and staff who are... well, it doesn't what they are trying to do. It's their game and this is not that game. It will fill out when there are good players in key spots and people run plot and events. Because that's what was happening. there were events, and scenes, and Dowaynes planning stuff etc etc.
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Post by paul on Jan 19, 2017 20:36:00 GMT -5
I was around 6 months after the server started, so I have kept up with its ups and downs. Never did the night court ever reach a point where it seemed to function and exert it's influence.
Anyways, I have distracted from the main topic. I am not beholden to a particular time. I came to KD for the setting not because of the books and I am completely divorced from the books. I like the setting as an entity unto itself. So whatever you guys decide I can roll with.
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Post by insomniac on Jan 19, 2017 20:41:02 GMT -5
Clarify for me Jibber:
Do Imriel and Sidonie have a canon heir which Carey wrote? It's been a while. Are we at any point going to have Features appear on screen?
I still hold to my weariness of having features appear, because I find them constraining as a staffer. (with one setting exception, which I'll acknowledge because I play an FC on S&S)
Are we prepared for book junkies to create characters who had previous connections to Features and will think that makes them "supah important"
What are we doing about House D'Aiglemort and Camlach as a whole? What are we doing about House Somerville? What are we doing about House Trevalion? What are we doing about House Shahrizai? What are we doing about any recently traitorous houses which I may have forgotten? Do we want to lay out anything specific for them and politics?
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Post by vulgarkitten on Jan 19, 2017 20:54:35 GMT -5
Clarify for me Jibber: Do Imriel and Sidonie have a canon heir which Carey wrote? It's been a while. Are we at any point going to have Features appear on screen? I still hold to my weariness of having features appear, because I find them constraining as a staffer. (with one setting exception, which I'll acknowledge because I play an FC on S&S) Are we prepared for book junkies to create characters who had previous connections to Features and will think that makes them "supah important" What are we doing about House D'Aiglemort and Camlach as a whole? What are we doing about House Somerville? What are we doing about House Trevalion? What are we doing about House Shahrizai? What are we doing about any recently traitorous houses which I may have forgotten? Do we want to lay out anything specific for them and politics? Sidonie and Imriel have three children. The oldest is Anielle (a girl), and she inherits the throne of Terre d'Ange. From her, the rulers of Terre d'Ange are: Queen Josephine and King Gautier, then Daniel de la Courcel and his first wife, then Daniel de la Courcel and Jehanne nĂ³ Cereus. Daniel's heir in Naamah's Kiss is Thierry de la Courcel. I think previous connections should be allowed, though not to Phedre and Joscelin. The rest? Eh. Fair game. The only really traitorous House by the end of Imriel's series was Trevalion (or possibly Somerville, since she married Ghislain), via Bernadette, who tried to have Imriel killed in Tiberium. But he forgave her and the attempt never became public knowledge.
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Post by Admin on Jan 19, 2017 21:19:21 GMT -5
1. Established in the start of the third series, there are three children. Only one has a name, Anielle de la Courcel. Other two are not named, nor genders disclosed to the best of my knowledge. Which is why if we place right after the second series, before we're told about the kids and the happy lives and the golden reign, we're not bound by the information there. We have Alais heading off alba to become an Olham, and sidonie and imriel marrying, and Drustan and Ysandre carrying on with their funky rule of him coming back from Alba half the year.
2. If we do, Features (aka Canon characters) still alive are very few and far between and so aged if we went for 50-60 years post second trilogy. People seem to forget that Ganleon was not ysander's dad, but her grandfather and ruled long enough to get her to the throne, and then died because daddy long died. If he had had a living son, odds are the son would have taken the throne when galleon started his decline in health and taken the throne at early 40's. So, if we want to eliminate any chance at all of Imriel and Sidonie, then we set it at least 60-70 years past the second series end and pick it up with a queen/king that is their direct descendent, potentially in their late 30's and has ruled for a wee bit and sid's and Im's are dead and had a nee funeral and that's the end of an era weep, weep, weep. If we don't mind that Im's and Sid's is around, but perhaps doing tours of other countries in their twilight years, then we can be fairly safe that they are never going to be on screen, set it at the 50-60 instead and are tossing the seat to their daughter/son because 'It's time' and trot them out only when relevant, and when it is.. I don't want to say convenient, but... could be relevant and used, one or the other or both can have passed away in some way shape or form.
3. Book junkies. Anyone cousin to the royals are going to think themselves super important, not just those related to canon characters. We deal with it in a calm and rational way and caution them. Be responsible, be reasonable. Again, at this pointe everyone is almost one generation away (Again, if we go after second series) from canon characters. So most folks will actually need to derive themselves from the smaller branches, cadet lines if you would, of the main families of canon characters. We know that no on is a natural born child of J & P. Barquiel's offspring are for the most part out in... Menekhet was it?
4. What DO we want to do about those houses? because all that, can be better answered once we know where we're setting it. Pre-series, post-series, or mid-series. Any traitorous house, players make with the warning that htey realize, your house, is not looked upon fondly. it might suck, nay, it's gonna be a toothache. But, there are folks who like playing that sort of thing. The underdog! The person who's trying too how that blood does not make the man, just like Imriel did.
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Post by mandrake on Jan 20, 2017 8:59:41 GMT -5
So here are my points on time setting.
1. I am super opposed to any time that means we have to write Canon characters. This just brings up headaches I don't want on so many levels. Especially with my, admittedly, less solid knowledge of the second and third trilogies.
2. Gunpowder makes me itchy.
3. Before the books really appeals to me in a lot of ways, personally.
This is just my preferences, and I'll elaborate more on them later, but I figured I should probably say something for now.
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